59 Comments on "Christopher Hansard."

jorg sorensson on Sun, 29th Mar 2009 11:53 pm 



Actually Christopher Hansard is a fraud and not qualified in Tibetan medicine In the UK a number of very serious allegations surround his treatment of fotrmer ‘clients’. More information may be found at the following:

http://lizziejanecochran.wordpress.com/

http://christopherhansard.blogspot.com/

Lo Pow on Mon, 6th Apr 2009 5:01 pm 



Christopher Hansard is NOT a fraud. He is a genuine master physician of Tibetan Dur Bon Medicine. He has been harassed and stalked and plagued by lies and people with a chip on their shoulder. NOTHING has been said about him doing anything wrongm except on petti internet message forums. How dare you come here and spread your lies about him. Christopher is a saint compared to you and your fake internet friends.

greta jensen on Mon, 13th Apr 2009 12:31 pm 



I have also heard about the stories concerning Christopher Hansard. It is very worrying to think that this man is deceiving people and has created a story to make himself appear genuine.

Archangel 177 on Mon, 13th Apr 2009 10:51 pm 



There are no “genuine” qualifications in Eastern medicine. Eastern medicine isn’t western at all, and is not an academic empirical thing like Sigmond Freud who did enough cocaine to kill a small horse.

Are you aware of the laws of private enterprise, whereby an agreement between two parties, namely in this case the patient and the practitioner (christopher hansard) enter into a contract, where the patient agrees to pay money for services rendered.

Are you aware of the fact that the person who runs that hateful blog which contains MANY inaccuracies about christopher’s story anyway, is run by a complete sociopath?

So, let me get this straight, it’s okay to be practicing medicine if you’re a Tibetan, because they are all Holy and pure: do you think this about the holy natives of your own country, or are you just a soppy new age type who listens to world music and chants in sandals?

Most of the people on the internet talking gossip about this person are themselves made up, how can you prove they exist, what are you, the grand jury?

The person up there who gave the addresses of the two blogs up there, it seems both are run by sociopathic whinos with no social skills or ideas of their own.

Did you know that there are people out there who train for years in something some guy ages ago MADE UP and turned into a system???

The tibetan people or Tibet or whatever is not the issue here. You’re missing the point, and clearly you’re just a pathetic wimp like the rest of those geeks.

I suggest you go your local doctor and ask for some really strong hard nasty drugs, and under this medical system, you’ll get them. Go and take some thorzine and inject it into your heart, that way when you bleed you can take a quill and write some bleeding mess about how noble you are because you accused some guy of making something up.

And when you’re done with that, come out of your little blog and show your little face so the world can see how truly ugly you are.

Anne Andersdatter on Tue, 14th Apr 2009 10:12 am 



Egentlig denne personen ikke forstår at tibetansk medisin er svært komplisert og er en form for vitenskap som krever års studier. Å være en kvalifisert lege for tibetansk medisin du trenger å ha studert i flere år, bli flytende i tibetansk både skriftlig og muntlig. Kan dette Christopher Hansard gi dokumentar bevis som har en slik kvalifisering?

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Harald Aanonson on Tue, 14th Apr 2009 11:08 am 



Jeg er enig. Dette er viktig fordi min venn ble behandlet av Doktor Barry Clarke, som er en autentisk og kvalifisert Doctor av tibetansk medisin, har han uttalt at Christopher Hansard har ingen anerkjent eller reell trening i tibetansk medisin og ikke holder en kvalifisering i det heller.

Sue Richards on Tue, 14th Apr 2009 3:01 pm 



Interesting that someone mentions the outdated term ’sociopath’, maybe it would be illuminating if Chris Hansard answered the following questions, which are frequently used to diagnose anti-social personality disorder.

Do you have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business?

Do you frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated?

Are you cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face?

Do you have an air of self-importance, regardless of your true standing in society?

Have you no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt?

Is your charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends?

Are you easily bored and demand constant stimulation?

Are your displays of human emotion unconvincing?

Do you enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse?

Are you quick to blame others for their mistakes?

Do you have no qualms about sponging off others?

Are you quick to lose you temper?

Are you sexually promiscuous?

Do you have a belligerent, bullying manner?

Are you unrealistic about their long-term aims?

Do you lack any ability to empathise with others?

Would you regard yourself as essentially irresponsible?

Maybe some of Chris’s former clients would be able to provide some revealing answers.

Archangel 177 on Tue, 14th Apr 2009 10:18 pm 



Under the Tibetan Bon system “anti-personality disorder” doesn’t exist! And besides, most of the world’s bankers, leaders and politicians fall under the same bracket of what you are describing Miss “Sue Richards”. Half the stuff you have listen isn’t even slightly “sociopathic”, everybody blames somebody else for a mistake, is occasionally sexually promiscuous, can be irresponsible, and so on.

“Do you have no qualms about sponging off others?”

That’s half of people on welfare for a start!

Is everyone on welfare benefits a cruel psychopath then Miss “Richards”?

If I may be frank with you it sounds like you’re trying to get at a man who has outright challenged you in some way and you have been unable to cope with your own demons.

“Do you have an air of self importance, regardless of your true standing in society?”

What kind of question is that to pose for somebody who is the author of 3 best selling books?

Are we actually serious about “bringing down” this man Miss “Richards”, or are you just jealous?

http://www.turnonyourinnerlight.com/Jealousy.html

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/Group/BussLAB/stalkinghelp/

Jasper Olafsson on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 5:51 pm 



I hope other visitors to this website would agree that there is really no need for the unpleasant tones, which seem more concerned with personal attacks than responding to the matter-in-hand, the uncertainties regarding Christopher Hansard. Anyone providing complimentary health care is usually able to offer evidence of their training and qualifications. Not an unreasonable requirement given the nature of the service they provide.

In the case of Christopher he has claimed that he is a Master physician of Tibetan medicine, surely all he has to do is to make available to the public verifiable evidence detailing his training, including names adressess, dates, and the identitities of those who witnessed events. Until such time as he can make such data freely available then people will naturally be cautious. Meanwhile in Norway I have met people who read the various discussions about Christopher and now reassess their view and wondering if the story is as they say made-up.

Sigurd Eriksson on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 6:10 pm 



Christopher Hansard er ikke en läkaren av tibetansk medisin, vennligst være veldig forsiktig.

Archangel 177 on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 6:48 pm 



I agree, personality attacks are childish. Of course, you cannot suggest that these people have not attacked Christopher.

The power of suggestion is what these people have used in order to create THEIR story of Christopher.

There is something incredibly suspicious about the way people are “discussing” this person, for a start somebody decided to start a rumor using a “cult” forum, a place where actual victims of cults go in order to find something genuine out about, say Scientology for instance, which any reasonable human being can see is a far cry away from anything Christopher has ever done. If Christopher had wanted to create a cult, there is no law saying he wouldn’t be able to, which is why actual cults exist, and they don’t mess around.

I think the people who are interested in asking questions about this person, have done exactly what you have stated: They have launched one big enormous personal attack.

If some drunk came up to me and started wailing on about some other person, I might think about the fact that he was drunk first.

You say this stuff like “until we have evidence”, yet he has treated so many people! They themselves are the evidence! Try his exercises! They work! They are wonderful!

I think first things first. The man who was stalking Christopher needs to publish HIS details, his photograph, his real name etc…Then all the people on that silly forum can publish THEIR details and we can see who they really are, and we have evidence that THEY Haven’t made up a story…

..or is this just a one way system, where people get to be cruel and vicious towards Christopher, and yet act like victims when it comes to asking questions about them. It’s all one way. People have been banned from that message board for saying, even something which might dare to suggest that, indeed, there is a cruelty to what these people are saying, and that makes people who respect his teachings, angry.

Personal attacks? What is this witch hunt anyway, but a series of horrid personal attacks?

The training story is just an excuse, because if they are not busy using that as an excuse to throw dirt on his name, they are making up stories, using suggestive language and trying to manipulate people away from having anything to do with him.

The “discussion” is nothing more than gossip, and what’s more somebody was stalking him, and that is a series legal issue, which no doubt he will fix.

Perhaps you’d like to ask how they chose the Dalai Lama for instance?

Not how we elect politicians!

I hope the people in Norway and elsewhere have the courage to speak the truth, and not be intimidated by the hateful lies and playground gossip that is being spread on those unpleasant internet sites.

There are FAR worse belief systems in the world than this one.

Sigurd Eriksson on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 9:54 pm 



Norske folk er ikke dumme dårlige vi kan se når vi blir dåret og Christopher Hansard snakker ikke tibetansk, har ingen ekte qualifcation i tibetansk medcine og historien om hans trening er en komplett kirurgisk. Det er ingen slike ting som durbon, han gjorde dette fantasy.

Jasper Olafsson on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 10:13 pm 



Looking at this I feel that if anyone presents themselves as some a health-provider, and presumably that service is a commercial operation, then the obligation is, from an ethical and logical viewpoint upon them to establish the truth of their qualifications and training. So while people can welcome some things you say, there is no really equivalent obligation upon those people who have doubts or questions.

It is natural to have doubts and if I was Christopher the first thing to do would be to reassure people by providing information on qualification and training that could be checked openly and independently. I do not think it is enough just to make a claim, since there is so much questions about Christopher, it would be better if he can show people in Norway documents or qualifications to show what he says is true. If there is no thing to hide there is no problem.

archangel 177 on Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:43 pm 



Since it is an ancient system steeped in mysteries unknown previously in our cultures, it is not graded like you or I would grade a test.

This is shamanism we’re talking about here, not mathematics. Shamanism is something which, quite frankly, does not operate under an empirical system of grades and exams.

That would be a contradiction in terms, somebody trained in an ancient tradition from the East but who happens to have some cheesy certificate on his mantel piece. Hmmm…

Shamanism when its practiced would probably baffle the living daylights out of common people like you or I, but to him and his master, it was and is a unique way of living in the world, and common folk like us can only marvel at the sheer complexity of it.

If there is anything more patronizing to the Tibetan people, then single-handedly tearing apart their ancient Bon religion all for the sake of some kind of academic thrill, then that itself is a crime.

Who does this idiot think he is, this “researcher”?

What makes him credible?

I’ll bet you anything that in a short time, these people give up and pick on some other hapless victim.

As for documents and qualifications, The Tibetan Art of Living is a fine document in itself.

Christopher doesn’t teach his patients using a projector and some text books.

My friend, I want you to be the first out of many to consider openly that Christopher, believe it or not, is the real deal, and that THAT is the true reason why people want to discredit him.

And if you want to go to another kind of doctor, you go. He is after all, a shaman, and they too are very mysterious, are they not?

Jasper Olafsson on Thu, 16th Apr 2009 12:59 am 



Well I cannot talk about your personal subject belief in Christopher, thank you for sharing your feelings that way, but my choice to chat here was because I had heard about the questions which people are asking about Christopher’s background and maybe you know already that there are people here in Norway who now ask if he is really qualified as a doctor in medicine from Tibet. It would be nice if he can prove that and then the uncertainty would go away.

greta jensen on Thu, 16th Apr 2009 9:56 am 



If someone walks into the village square and announces christianity is based upon factual events, but requires people to accept that claim, without any examinable proof, then the assertion is not one of fact, but faith. An intelligent response using reason and logic would demand information that would demonstrate beyond any dispute the truth of such a claim. Claiming that the subject matter is too ‘mysterious’ or ‘beyond the understanding of people’, would not constitute convincing evidence to confirm the original claim.

The same reasoning applies to this case. Christopher Hansard was not forced by any person to inform the world through the internet, books, lectures and workshops that he was a doctor of Tibetan medicine and from some mysterious religion. It was his individual decision to present such claims, so it is no shock that people are asking questions which require him to offer proof of his story.

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Jasper Olafsson on Thu, 16th Apr 2009 9:27 pm 



Yes I suppose it is fair to say Christopher did choose himself to announce that he was a doctor of Tibetan medicine and also told his story about training. People are naturally curious to know this is correct, and if there is a lack of proof it will increase the questions.

Sue Richards on Tue, 21st Apr 2009 1:11 am 



This is an interesting discussion and its a shame that someone seems to want to destabilize the flow of comments by posting drug-store nonsense. Whoever is doing that seems to have a desire to distract attention away from what has been a reasonable talk about Chris Hansard. Why would that be?

Greta, I think many will welcome what you say, Chris was not forced to publicly announce himself as Physician of Tibetan Medicine. All people have a reasonable right to wonder and ask important questions about these claims. I am sure that there is a desire to accept Chris’ story as being true, but many doubts remain, a very understandable caution because so far he has not offered any proof.

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Sue Richards on Tue, 21st Apr 2009 3:14 pm 



This is an interesting discussion and its a shame that someone seems to want to destabilize the flow of comments by posting drug-store nonsense. Whoever is doing that seems to have a desire to distract attention away from what has been a reasonable talk about Chris Hansard. Why would that be?

Greta, I think many will welcome what you say, Chris was not forced to publicly announce himself as Physician of Tibetan Medicine. All people have a reasonable right to wonder and ask important questions about these claims. I am sure that there is a desire to accept Chris’ story as being true, but many doubts remain, a very understandable caution because so far he has not offered any proof.

Taquui on Fri, 24th Apr 2009 11:47 pm 



Name one other credible Tibetan Bon practitioner in the entire west, apart from Christopher Hansard.

Bear in mind that whoever you name will have to have demonstrated at some point in time their knowledge for example in book form -and / or at the very least treating hundreds if not thousands of people.

Bear in mind that if you succeed to name such a practitioner, you will have to subject them to the same level of scrutiny -otherwise it will look as though you have launched a personality attack using these vague matters as an excuse. I must say that forum is more trite gossip than empirical fact itself, again what makes the people who have added to it “credible”?

While we’re on the subject of credibility, what makes Bon credible in your eyes, and Christopher Hansard not?

Perhaps you only grasp some academic understanding of what is essentially an ancient spiritual practice.

Would you now like to go and ask whether the Dalai Lama is “credible”?

Perhaps you have seen what Christopher has produced and the way in which he practices and have not been able to comprehend it properly?

If you are looking for empirical proof that somebody was trained in an ancient Eastern spiritual practice, and try to say that this is a “legal matter” in this or any other country, you are confusing one thing with another.

Let us be quite clear here: Christopher Hansard has committed no crime whatsoever, and therefore is free to practice, write more books and so on.

Since there is no crime committed, the absurd “allegations” of abuse are fictional themselves, which are nothing more than petti-gossip under internet pseudonynms on the rather suggestively titled “cult” forum where someone decided to just ask a question about Christopher, they just happened to think that that would be a great place to begin a discussion (hmmm…)

And why do you have such faith in Tibetan medicine itself, if you are so concerned with empirical matters such as a western system of grading and tests?

Ex-CH student on Sun, 26th Apr 2009 12:42 am 



As a patient and student of Christopher Hansard, I can tell you that the ‘rumours’ that many have spoken about in this blog ARE TRUE and that he is a DISTURBED AND DANGEROUS individual in person. If you want to read his books and go on believing he is a saint, then fine. But the truth is that he lied, manipulated people and used students and patients sexually to satisfy himself. The emergence of information on the cult forum was the result of many secrets and lies within his clinic to cover himself. His lineage and teachings are in extreme doubt and he has never furnished anything other than his insistence that he is right to support his qualifications. I am not talking here about the judgement of western vs eastern qualifications but that he has none whatsover in therms of his claimed Tibetan lineage. Myself and many of my friends and fellow students suffered terribly at the hands of this man because we trusted him.

PLEASE DON’T FALL INTO THE SAME TRAP. AVOID THIS MAN AND HIS TEACHINGS.

I don’t say this for revenge or out of malice, but as a warning from one who has been chewed up, used and spat out my CH.

Ex-Student of Christopher Hansard on Sun, 26th Apr 2009 11:59 am 



I cannot believe what I have just read. You’re saying you’re an ex-student of Christopher, and that is confusing to me, because I have tried to post here several times and it wouldn’t let me. Something’s going on and I don’t like it. As a fellow ex-student of Christopher Hansard I can tell you that this is flat out not true what this person above is saying. Christopher is to this day one of the most respected professionals I have ever had the pleasure to work with.

He was trained until the age of 27 as a Ngagpa by a man named Urgyen Nam Chuck. His training took place in New Zealand, and lasted from the age of 4 for 23 years.

His teacher taught him orally and all he had to do was repeat back what he had learned, partly because he had to know it in his mind and body.

I think you should think seriously about what you are saying, and I must say I am surprised to find another ex-student of Christopher on here just before I was about to post something. That in itself is very suspicious; How am I to know that you are an ex-student of Christopher, give some examples of some acupuncture training that you have had, and be more specific about when you were there.

Avoiding Christopher’s teachings has nothing to do with what you seem only to be suggesting in your post. I have to say though, upon reading some of the arguments here that I am surprised to find some others who had the courage to defend him without fear of themselves being attacked.

Did you know that some of the people who have been spreading things about him are actually just doing it in order to try to piece together some story so as to wreck his career?

And nobody has EVER proclaimed him a saint, you’re referring to a Christian term, this is an ancient Eastern spiritual and medical tradition.

Working with Christopher was at times stressful and demanding, but that is only because he demanded that his patients received the highest quality of service, which they did.

By the way, if any boss is abusive to you, Christopher has excellent techniques and exercises which can be used in order to transform that negativity into something better!

My friend, stop spreading ridiculous lies.

And maybe you can refresh us all on what exactly you were learning when you were there, because as you can see, I at least know a little about his actual training!

Jenny on Sun, 26th Apr 2009 5:03 pm 



I have tirelessly trawled through everything on the internet which has been written about this man, and have come to the conclusion that this is, as some are starting to point out here, nothing more than some kind of aggressive attack on CH.

You only have to examine the kind of language used, and the sort of things which are being said, yet nothing is ever factually proved; Christopher appears to be the victim, as you say, of a personality attack.

Now we don’t know why somebody has done this, your guess is as good as mine, but it’s incredibly painful when people do this kind of thing. I’m a practicing lawyer who has dealt with many cases of harassment and cyber bullying is common.

If these people were serious, they would take care of any matters legally, and as somebody who works in the legal profession, I am shocked and appalled by the manner in which this attack has been carried out.

Let us not forget that this man was pretty successful, and many successful people are at some point or another preyed upon by people who are lost or damaged in some way.

It is a pity that this should happen to somebody who has helped so many people get back on their feet in life.

We really do need to distinguish the difference between trustworthy information and gossip, so here is the wikipedia definition of gossip:

“Gossip is idle talk or rumour, especially about the personal or private affairs of others. It forms one of the oldest and most common means of sharing (unproven) facts and views, but also has a reputation for the introduction of errors and other variations into the information transmitted. The term also carries implications that the news so transmitted (usually) has a personal or trivial nature, as opposed to normal conversation.”

Now, we are starting to see more clearly about this matter. You must look carefully at that definition and be sure to study it through and through.

Thank-you for allowing me to share my thoughts.

Taquui on Mon, 27th Apr 2009 10:40 pm 



Jenny, you’re incredible! Thanks so much for this definition, you’ve really captured what I was trying to get at:

“Gossip is idle talk or rumour, especially about the personal or private affairs of others. It forms one of the oldest and most common means of sharing (unproven) facts and views, but also has a reputation for the introduction of errors and other variations into the information transmitted. The term also carries implications that the news so transmitted (usually) has a personal or trivial nature, as opposed to normal conversation.”

I have to admit, I was almost taken in by some of those fake stories myself, but of course, if anybody was serious they’d have gone to the police long ago. But nobody has, and this is all getting rather silly. I think the people who say these things are not serious, and as you have pointed at, gossip is not reliable, and it just discredits these idiots anyway.

Thanks again Jenny. It is thanks to people like you that us common folk can make sense of things like this, and I am sure more and more people are going to start to see through this little “internet drama” that has been created.

Then we can all be at peace

Ex-CH student on Tue, 28th Apr 2009 12:01 am 



OK don’t say you weren’t warned.

As I said this is not a smear campaign. I speak from experience, and I’m not going to bother sharing details of that because, unfortunately, I get the feeling that would be used against me. Ex-Student, let me just suggest a few phrases and see if you think this is genuine: Kapi (how many did he teach at his first BC workshop, eh?), 12 ways (hours of reciting those at the Eden Clinic - were you ever there?), Kum Nye! That should bring back a few memories if YOU are the genuine article! Also remember how CH’s ‘commitment’ to his students ended; abruptly and without explanation. If you want to stay deluded as to this man’s integrity, fine by me, but please don’t try to convince these other people of it.

And I used the term ’saint’ quoted from a post (rant) above - not my own phrase by any means:
“Lo Pow on Mon, 6th Apr 2009 5:01 pm

Christopher Hansard is NOT a fraud. He is a genuine master physician of Tibetan Dur Bon Medicine. He has been harassed and stalked and plagued by lies and people with a chip on their shoulder. NOTHING has been said about him doing anything wrongm except on petti internet message forums. How dare you come here and spread your lies about him. Christopher is a _saint_ compared to you and your fake internet friends.” (my emphasis)

FYI Jenny, this is being taken care of legally by, among others, Christopher’s ex-partner who finally had enough herself of the lies and deceit. Information is being collected by the London Metropolitan Police, Project Sapphire, on this man. However it has been very difficult, as in most cases of this kind, to get the victims to come forward because most of them just want to forget what happened to them and move on with their lives. One of the difficulties faced by victims of this sort of abuse, many of whom are my FRIENDS, BTW, in sharing their experience openly is that they often are subjected to exactly the kind of response that I have seen here; i.e. reactive, emotive nonsense of a ‘plot’ against this man - that these ‘petti internet’ people are out to ‘get’ CH. The fact is that many are victims of systematic sexual and emotional abuse. I know this first hand. I have direct testimonials from those who agreed to sex with this man under duress and under the guises of treatment and / or teaching!

But ultimately it’s up to you.

I’ll just leave you with the fact that ‘An Invocation to Awaken Serenity’ (p.56 of the ‘Tibetan Art of Serenity’) is an almost verbatim COPY of Oriah Mountain Dreamer’s ‘The Invitation’ published 10 years before! Compare them yourself if you don’t believe me. When confronted about this directly, by one of my fellow students and cc’d to me, CH denied having ever heard of Dreamer and his publishers are currently defending a copyright breach claim against him. Also referees and testimonals in his first two books now have strong evidence as being given by fictional people and the recommendation from the office of HHDL never existed! Many of the ‘inner’ student teachings, such as the Flowering Light Tantra, and parts the 12 ways, are also direct copies of texts available, now with the facility of internet search engines, on the internet and cobbled together and presented to us, the students, as authentic oral transmissions of the ‘Jangter Bon’ tradition.

Taquui be at peace for sure, and please believe what I am telling you all. This is not idle gossip. I would not be wasting my time and yours with that. This is not just an ‘internet drama’. These are real people, and real lives. Believe it!

Jenny on Tue, 28th Apr 2009 6:36 pm 



I have read closely the earlier post by another ex-student, which I will post part of below because I think this is important:

“I cannot believe what I have just read. You’re saying you’re an ex-student of Christopher, and that is confusing to me, because I have tried to post here several times and it wouldn’t let me. Something’s going on and I don’t like it. As a fellow ex-student of Christopher Hansard I can tell you that this is flat out not true what this person above is saying. Christopher is to this day one of the most respected professionals I have ever had the pleasure to work with.

He was trained until the age of 27 as a Ngagpa by a man named Urgyen Nam Chuck. His training took place in New Zealand, and lasted from the age of 4 for 23 years.

His teacher taught him orally and all he had to do was repeat back what he had learned, partly because he had to know it in his mind and body.

I think you should think seriously about what you are saying, and I must say I am surprised to find another ex-student of Christopher on here just before I was about to post something. That in itself is very suspicious; How am I to know that you are an ex-student of Christopher, give some examples of some acupuncture training that you have had, and be more specific about when you were there.

Avoiding Christopher’s teachings has nothing to do with what you seem only to be suggesting in your post. I have to say though, upon reading some of the arguments here that I am surprised to find some others who had the courage to defend him without fear of themselves being attacked.

Did you know that some of the people who have been spreading things about him are actually just doing it in order to try to piece together some story so as to wreck his career?”

That last part is particularly interesting to me. Like we established, your friends may just be very sick people themselves, and may have something wrong with them which CH made them admit.
I have noticed that we have a great big elephant in the room:

People who need therapy. Generally speaking, anyone who goes to someone like CH is looking for some kind of cure for some kind of illness, I would imagine these range from physical problems through to mental illness.

Now, by their very nature, these people are prone to feeling vulnerable, and of course, therapy is working through problems, and healing can be a painful process.

By the looks of things, CH was not offering a mug of tea and a chit chat.

Let us now consider the type of people who would go for this type of thing, I mean, after all, this isn’t “any old therapy” now is it?

From what we can gather, CH was selling his services as a Ngagpa, trained in an ancient Eastern medical and spiritual tradition…Not Dr. Smith bog standard GP then.

Not “Sam the therapist, trained as a councilor for 10 years” or whatever.

No, this is something REALLY different, something REALLY unusual, completely off the beaten path for 99% of the population.

Now the great problem with most therapy is that people don’t really face whatever it is that scares them, or first caused an illness. I have dealt with a few cases and am naturally curious myself about such matters, so let me suggest something to you about these kinds of people:

1. FACT: They are seeking help for something which happened BEFORE they began treatment

2. FACT: They have seeked THIS kind of treatment as opposed to the other 99%

So here are people with emotional problems or recurring physical complaints who have effectively had it with the traditional medical system and feel like trying something different.

They are over the age of 18 and know something about what this is, and what this isn’t. Perhaps a friend has recommended them, perhaps they’ve read one of CH’s books.

Either way, they want somebody to help them, and this is where the trouble REALLY starts. You see, there are many people in the world who look for somebody to actually make them feel better automatically rather than TRUE healing, which is tough. They take the easy route and blame the therapist, they can’t or won’t face what’s happened to them in the past because it’s too much for them.

People who need therapy (and that is only some people) are often angry at life, and feel betrayed by the world.

Sometimes people like this expect a lot of attention from a therapist and refuse to work in order to get better.

As for the comment on his writing, as I see it this is in-fact rather an ingenious idea probably done on purpose in order to show that he is not some infallible God and therefore people can feel like they themselves can make their own systems, make their own ideas.

All ideas come from others, it’s a fact! And didn’t he mention something about his teacher being quite cheeky?

You really have to put what you’re saying in the context of the bigger picture. He’s written 3 books in total, and from what I can gather have sold well.



Be at peace everyone!

Ex-CH student on Tue, 28th Apr 2009 9:31 pm 



Jenny,

Just because someone is looking for an alternative treatment does not, I believe, give ANY healer licence to ‘treat’ them by pressing them into unprotected penetrative sex with the promise that they will receive some enlightenment. What’s more this method of ‘treatment’ was deliberately kept secret within the clinic; if anyone spoke of it with any other student or patient, they were branded as a ‘gossip’ which, as we have seen above, is apparently worse than being a sexual predator. Why the secrecy? Why be ashamed of this method? Why not speak of it in his books or openly? You seem to think perhaps that his ‘crazy’ side gave him the right to perform in any way he chose! Secrecy was one of CH’s methods of controlling information and people.

Just because someone may be mentally or emotionally disturbed does not necessarily invalidate their testimony! If it were simply the word of a single patient, taken in isolation, I might be inclined to agree with you. But these stories have come not from one or two women with a history of mental illness or paranoia but from DOZENS! Would you treat stories of a psychiatrist or any other health-care practitioner abusing patients physically with such disdain? Do you really feel that it is acceptable for anyone who speaks of ‘compassion’ and ‘respect for women’ in their books to behave in this fashion? These were not isolated incidents for the ‘chosen few’ receiving tantra. Many of the female patients he saw were ‘treated’ this way, or such ‘treatment’ was regularly attempted! The stronger ones told him NO! But he preyed upon, as you point out, people, like myself, who were looking for something extraordinary. That was exactly his intent and it made his job that much easier!

For you, this seems to be an interesting discussion; a light-hearted debate perhaps. You could not be more wrong! You seem so concerned about the rights of Christopher to behave in any way he chooses. What about the rights of his patients? What about the basic human rights of respect, of treatment in a place of safety; the oath of the healer to DO NO HARM! I trust the statements of those who have told me these things, and I trust my own personal experiences of lies, avoidance, disrespect and dishonour. Ultimately that’s all I can offer. You may judge me as similarly ill and deranged. That is your choice.

Your argument that to steal someone else’s work, claim it your own and benefit from it financially, is an ‘ingenious idea … to show that he is not infallible’ is quite absurd. How can you possibly claim to have a legal background! The one thing I agree with is that it was ‘done on purpose’. Rather foolishly and cynically, it was done on purpose with the intent of stealing another author’s work to present it as his own in order to meet a book deadline, or out of sheer laziness. ‘All ideas come from others’ as you say, but in this case the expectation is surely that the ideas would come from the claimed ‘Jangter Bon tradtion’ rather than another relatively well-known writer’s original work!

Clearly there will be no “proof” for anyone here, because any post on here is simply opinion, regardless of how strongly I feel I have stated my position. I have stated mine, and will leave it at that.

Jenny on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 10:57 am 



Yes, you seem to be convinced that somebody was abused in his practice, but again, the police know nothing, and you have created this in order to try to wreck his career. It is not for you to start questioning my law degree just because I happen to be human as well.

This is a flat out LIE you have told, let us take a look at what you have said in your opening paragraph:

“Just because someone is looking for an alternative treatment does not, I believe, give ANY healer licence to ‘treat’ them by pressing them into unprotected penetrative sex…”

From what I hear the practice was always busy, so the “sex” would have to be REALLY REALLY quiet. REALLY quiet. Then the woman who you claim to have been subjected to this nonsense, would walk out of the treatment room smelling of sex, so would CH.

Hmmm….Subtle abuse eh? Subtle sex taking place in a public clinc?

ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL WOULD BELIEVE THAT!

Jealousy and gossip go hand in hand, have a look at this fantastic article:

JEALOUSY AND GOSSIP: THE TWO BEST FRIENDS

Dr. Tesfa G. Gebremedhin

West Virginia University

Jealousy and gossip have been two best friends for a long time since human beings have started relationship among themselves. When jealousy is the state of wicked mind, gossip is the twisted expression of jealousy. Gossip is the oldest and still the most common means of spreading trivial, hurtful and hateful rumors, scandals, and socially unproductive information. Gossip could potentially paralyze the free flow of productive and constructive information and enforce jealousy among people. Gossip is saying things against someone, behind someone’s back by sick and twisted individuals. They stir up trouble, disturb the social order, and break up friendship because they have the state of evil minds perhaps destined to do mischievous things. The disease of jealously expressed by gossip is a malignant cancer of the state of mind that creates disorder and chaos in any community and causes hostility and deformity among people by inflicting conflicts.

Cultural beliefs and social values of any society play an important role in determining what triggers jealousy and what constitutes morally unacceptable gossip in the social activities of people in any community. It has been observed that jealousy and gossip are our worst enemies in the survival of our communities. History can tell that we have been staunch against our worst external enemies, but we seem to be not strong enough to handle our internal misunderstandings or conflicts in our own communities which are mostly based on hurtful jealousy and hateful gossip among ourselves. I would like to elaborate the shame and disgrace of jealousy and gossip and the importance of building up strong inner strength by narrating a memorable legend story of a monk.

There was a holy monk in history that lived in the Sinai desert as a hermit for many years. He spent most of his time fasting and praying to the almighty God for His holy grace and blessings. The monk managed to tolerate the unbearable thirst and hunger of the desert and to resist the scorching heat from the sun during the day and the shivering cold during the night. He shared the life of the unfriendly climate of the desert with the poisonous snakes, scorpions, and other dangerous animals and insects. In spite of his endurance to these natural vagaries, the monk had a peaceful life and relationship with his God in the desert until his integrity and inner strength was personally tested by the Devil. The Devil wanted him to be his disciple or follower instead of God. The Devil sent his demons to the monk to convince him that he could have everything he would like to have on earth and heaven above, if he became the follower of the Devil. The demons tried everything in their power to create instability in his faith and win his devotion to the Devil. They could not shake his integrity to God because he was very strong to challenge the enemies of his faith. The Devil was not happy with his demons and he summoned all of them to his chamber and told them that he was disappointed because they failed to understand the weak point of human beings. He explained to them that they should have tested the monk’s inner strength within himself rather than testing his strength against his external enemies. The Devil invited them to listen and pay attention what he would say to the monk and how the state of the monk’s mind would consequently change. As the Devil whispered a gossip in the ears of the monk by saying, “Your brother got elected as the patriarch of Egypt,” the face of the monk instantly altered and showed jealousy. When he heard the gossip, the monk was angry inside and his anger was shown on his face. The monk was not happy for his brother being elected as the patriarch of Egypt. In his own mind, he was thinking that he was the only one that deserved the position because he felt that he was more close to God than his brother for he had been in the desert for a long time maintaining a close relationship with God. Despite the fact that the monk gallantly challenged his enemies and endured temptations over the years, he was not strong enough to deal with his inner strength which was negatively manifested by jealousy. At the core of his jealousy seemed to be an upward social comparison not the holy relationship with his God that threatened his self-esteem and self-worth because his brother’s achievement was the position that the monk desired or wished to have for himself. It was a pity to observe such kind of state of mind of the holy monk that showed such pain or frustration caused by his brother’s superior position that the monk did not have himself.

The moral lesson of the story is that when you are a beautiful person on the inside and a strong person from the outside, there is nothing in the world that can shake your integrity and you are symbolized as the kind of person harnessed with respect and dignity. However, when you are an ugly person on the inside and a weak one from the outside, there is a high probability that you will be taken as a person with a wicked mind who shows jealousy and practices gossip. It is evident that jealousy and gossip cannot bring people together; instead they disturb the peace, unity and harmony. They can only put people apart and create enmity, hostility and animosity. Jealousy and gossip are manifested among individuals who usually lack self-confidence, self-worth, and self-acceptance and who have lost faith, courage, and inner strength, and dissatisfaction with their achievement and performance in life. If we cannot face the challenge against our inner strength and cannot accept ourselves as persons of integrity, then certainly no one else will accept us as reliable and formidable persons. We can gain more friends by being ourselves than we can by pretending or wishing to be somebody else. We can gain more friends by building people up and showing kindness and integrity than we can by tearing them down with gossip loaded with hateful jealousy. And we can gain more friends by taking a few minutes of our time from each day to do something kind and worthwhile for someone, whether it is a good friend, our own community, or even a complete and perfect stranger. We would never imagine in our whole lives what a difference we, as individuals in a community, can make in the lives of others – our children and community members.

If we would have others respect us, we need to respect ourselves. Respect for ourselves always guides our morals; respect for others often guides our manners. We can be valued and respected only as we make ourselves valuable and respectful with dignity and integrity. We can also be disgraced and despised as we make ourselves disgraceful and disrespectful with jealousy and spreading hateful gossip against someone else. We must be the mighty rock for someone (particularly our children) to hold on something real and reliable and to be the fortress where somebody (or our children) can be safe and secured. If we have a positive attitude towards each other and become aware of what to say, when to say, and how to say things at any time and place, particularly to our children, we can establish a peaceful and friendly relationship with our family and community members. We all need to strive for integrity that means knowing our social values in life and behaving in a way that is consistent with these desirable values. Self-respect permeates every aspect of our life because it is the cornerstone of all virtues. It is not only what we profess in words but also what we practice in everyday deeds that give us integrity. Be aware that integrity is what we do, what we say, and what we say we do. God bless us to do the right thing and have integrity with what we say and do. Thank you.

God bless everyone in this discussion, and I hope these stories are finally put to rest

Jenny on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 11:02 am 



I would also like to add that the blogs which have been created, notably the one by this dodgy ‘jeff bowes’ character is outright tabloid smut.

He has himself not even read CH’s story, because he still thinks the teacher came from Tibet directly and he apparently came from India.

Ex-Student of Christopher Hansard on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 12:47 pm 



Too right. I just had a look at this weirdo “Jeff Bowes” blog and he is just obsessed with all things “CH”. Quite sweet really, I’m sure he secretly admires him, he probably has a shrine in his house dedicated to him. Maybe he should start a fanbase or something. Christopher would probably love that!

Dear oh dear, and to think gossip is so destructive, and so damaging, and yet ultimately, so pointless. I mean, you can say whatever about these people being “forced to have sex” with this man (I can think of worse people), but the fact remains that there are all kinds of dodgy people out there who frame others, often like in the way you have tried.

Have you seen “Disclosure” with Demi Moore?

This is just so silly. I have heard that while this has been going on, his patients have been getting more and more healthy as well, the poor things. They can’t even Google his name without this muck coming up. What if they want to recommend him to others?

I recommend CH. He is safe, professional, and a thorough person.

This “character” you have created is completely fictitious. You have demonized him on purpose and have made up stories.

Ex-CH student on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 6:13 pm 



Jenny and ex-Student, your reactions are pathetic.

Jenny I question your law degree due to your reaction to a clear legal breach (copyright) that you attribute to a playful nature. How ridiculous.

How can you know what I am telling you are lies? How do you know anything about the clinic, how it was run, how ‘busy’ it was unless you were there? He used massage oils! Heavily scented ones. His door was always closed. He could leave the clinic without being seen by those in the reception area if he chose.

I have not even mentioned Jeff Bowe, because I believe his position and methods are extreme. However it does not invalidate what I have said to you.

You are probably Christopher himself once again trying to fill up pages with nonsense to cover himself. If so, you should be rightly ashamed of yourself for continuing to practice in the way you do and for ignoring the suggestions to seek help by those who used to truely love and respect you. You destroyed that trust. You did it, nobody else.

Taquui on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 6:32 pm 



CLASSIC moment in this whole saga from you 2, I couldn’t really add to this:

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Yes, you seem to be convinced that somebody was abused in his practice, but again, the police know nothing, and you have created this in order to try to wreck his career. It is not for you to start questioning my law degree just because I happen to be human as well.

This is a flat out LIE you have told, let us take a look at what you have said in your opening paragraph:

“Just because someone is looking for an alternative treatment does not, I believe, give ANY healer licence to ‘treat’ them by pressing them into unprotected penetrative sex…”

From what I hear the practice was always busy, so the “sex” would have to be REALLY REALLY quiet. REALLY quiet. Then the woman who you claim to have been subjected to this nonsense, would walk out of the treatment room smelling of sex, so would CH.

Hmmm….Subtle abuse eh? Subtle sex taking place in a public clinc?

ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL WOULD BELIEVE THAT!

Jealousy and gossip go hand in hand, have a look at this fantastic article:

JEALOUSY AND GOSSIP: THE TWO BEST FRIENDS

Dr. Tesfa G. Gebremedhin

West Virginia University

Jealousy and gossip have been two best friends for a long time since human beings have started relationship among themselves. When jealousy is the state of wicked mind, gossip is the twisted expression of jealousy. Gossip is the oldest and still the most common means of spreading trivial, hurtful and hateful rumors, scandals, and socially unproductive information. Gossip could potentially paralyze the free flow of productive and constructive information and enforce jealousy among people. Gossip is saying things against someone, behind someone’s back by sick and twisted individuals. They stir up trouble, disturb the social order, and break up friendship because they have the state of evil minds perhaps destined to do mischievous things. The disease of jealously expressed by gossip is a malignant cancer of the state of mind that creates disorder and chaos in any community and causes hostility and deformity among people by inflicting conflicts.

Cultural beliefs and social values of any society play an important role in determining what triggers jealousy and what constitutes morally unacceptable gossip in the social activities of people in any community. It has been observed that jealousy and gossip are our worst enemies in the survival of our communities. History can tell that we have been staunch against our worst external enemies, but we seem to be not strong enough to handle our internal misunderstandings or conflicts in our own communities which are mostly based on hurtful jealousy and hateful gossip among ourselves. I would like to elaborate the shame and disgrace of jealousy and gossip and the importance of building up strong inner strength by narrating a memorable legend story of a monk.

There was a holy monk in history that lived in the Sinai desert as a hermit for many years. He spent most of his time fasting and praying to the almighty God for His holy grace and blessings. The monk managed to tolerate the unbearable thirst and hunger of the desert and to resist the scorching heat from the sun during the day and the shivering cold during the night. He shared the life of the unfriendly climate of the desert with the poisonous snakes, scorpions, and other dangerous animals and insects. In spite of his endurance to these natural vagaries, the monk had a peaceful life and relationship with his God in the desert until his integrity and inner strength was personally tested by the Devil. The Devil wanted him to be his disciple or follower instead of God. The Devil sent his demons to the monk to convince him that he could have everything he would like to have on earth and heaven above, if he became the follower of the Devil. The demons tried everything in their power to create instability in his faith and win his devotion to the Devil. They could not shake his integrity to God because he was very strong to challenge the enemies of his faith. The Devil was not happy with his demons and he summoned all of them to his chamber and told them that he was disappointed because they failed to understand the weak point of human beings. He explained to them that they should have tested the monk’s inner strength within himself rather than testing his strength against his external enemies. The Devil invited them to listen and pay attention what he would say to the monk and how the state of the monk’s mind would consequently change. As the Devil whispered a gossip in the ears of the monk by saying, “Your brother got elected as the patriarch of Egypt,” the face of the monk instantly altered and showed jealousy. When he heard the gossip, the monk was angry inside and his anger was shown on his face. The monk was not happy for his brother being elected as the patriarch of Egypt. In his own mind, he was thinking that he was the only one that deserved the position because he felt that he was more close to God than his brother for he had been in the desert for a long time maintaining a close relationship with God. Despite the fact that the monk gallantly challenged his enemies and endured temptations over the years, he was not strong enough to deal with his inner strength which was negatively manifested by jealousy. At the core of his jealousy seemed to be an upward social comparison not the holy relationship with his God that threatened his self-esteem and self-worth because his brother’s achievement was the position that the monk desired or wished to have for himself. It was a pity to observe such kind of state of mind of the holy monk that showed such pain or frustration caused by his brother’s superior position that the monk did not have himself.

The moral lesson of the story is that when you are a beautiful person on the inside and a strong person from the outside, there is nothing in the world that can shake your integrity and you are symbolized as the kind of person harnessed with respect and dignity. However, when you are an ugly person on the inside and a weak one from the outside, there is a high probability that you will be taken as a person with a wicked mind who shows jealousy and practices gossip. It is evident that jealousy and gossip cannot bring people together; instead they disturb the peace, unity and harmony. They can only put people apart and create enmity, hostility and animosity. Jealousy and gossip are manifested among individuals who usually lack self-confidence, self-worth, and self-acceptance and who have lost faith, courage, and inner strength, and dissatisfaction with their achievement and performance in life. If we cannot face the challenge against our inner strength and cannot accept ourselves as persons of integrity, then certainly no one else will accept us as reliable and formidable persons. We can gain more friends by being ourselves than we can by pretending or wishing to be somebody else. We can gain more friends by building people up and showing kindness and integrity than we can by tearing them down with gossip loaded with hateful jealousy. And we can gain more friends by taking a few minutes of our time from each day to do something kind and worthwhile for someone, whether it is a good friend, our own community, or even a complete and perfect stranger. We would never imagine in our whole lives what a difference we, as individuals in a community, can make in the lives of others – our children and community members.

If we would have others respect us, we need to respect ourselves. Respect for ourselves always guides our morals; respect for others often guides our manners. We can be valued and respected only as we make ourselves valuable and respectful with dignity and integrity. We can also be disgraced and despised as we make ourselves disgraceful and disrespectful with jealousy and spreading hateful gossip against someone else. We must be the mighty rock for someone (particularly our children) to hold on something real and reliable and to be the fortress where somebody (or our children) can be safe and secured. If we have a positive attitude towards each other and become aware of what to say, when to say, and how to say things at any time and place, particularly to our children, we can establish a peaceful and friendly relationship with our family and community members. We all need to strive for integrity that means knowing our social values in life and behaving in a way that is consistent with these desirable values. Self-respect permeates every aspect of our life because it is the cornerstone of all virtues. It is not only what we profess in words but also what we practice in everyday deeds that give us integrity. Be aware that integrity is what we do, what we say, and what we say we do. God bless us to do the right thing and have integrity with what we say and do. Thank you.

God bless everyone in this discussion, and I hope these stories are finally put to rest
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Jenny on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 11:02 am

I would also like to add that the blogs which have been created, notably the one by this dodgy ‘jeff bowes’ character is outright tabloid smut.

He has himself not even read CH’s story, because he still thinks the teacher came from Tibet directly and he apparently came from India.
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Ex-Student of Christopher Hansard on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 12:47 pm

Too right. I just had a look at this weirdo “Jeff Bowes” blog and he is just obsessed with all things “CH”. Quite sweet really, I’m sure he secretly admires him, he probably has a shrine in his house dedicated to him. Maybe he should start a fanbase or something. Christopher would probably love that!

Dear oh dear, and to think gossip is so destructive, and so damaging, and yet ultimately, so pointless. I mean, you can say whatever about these people being “forced to have sex” with this man (I can think of worse people), but the fact remains that there are all kinds of dodgy people out there who frame others, often like in the way you have tried.

Have you seen “Disclosure” with Demi Moore?

This is just so silly. I have heard that while this has been going on, his patients have been getting more and more healthy as well, the poor things. They can’t even Google his name without this muck coming up. What if they want to recommend him to others?

I recommend CH. He is safe, professional, and a thorough person.

This “character” you have created is completely fictitious. You have demonized him on purpose and have made up stories.

Incredible. And now this internet stalker person resorts to petti-attacks

I Would like to also condemn Jeff Bowe, as being a disturbed and dangerous individual, who will probably one day be jailed for what he has said and done.

Jeff Bowe is completely deluded, he has taken bits of CHs old websites and cobbled together some fantasy of his own. You’re right he is probably CH’s biggest fan!!!!

That “Disclosure” reference was priceless!!

Taquui on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 6:36 pm 



And please refresh yourselves on my earlier post:

Name one other credible Tibetan Bon practitioner in the entire west, apart from Christopher Hansard.

Bear in mind that whoever you name will have to have demonstrated at some point in time their knowledge for example in book form -and / or at the very least treating hundreds if not thousands of people.

Bear in mind that if you succeed to name such a practitioner, you will have to subject them to the same level of scrutiny -otherwise it will look as though you have launched a personality attack using these vague matters as an excuse. I must say that forum is more trite gossip than empirical fact itself, again what makes the people who have added to it “credible”?

While we’re on the subject of credibility, what makes Bon credible in your eyes, and Christopher Hansard not?

Perhaps you only grasp some academic understanding of what is essentially an ancient spiritual practice.

Would you now like to go and ask whether the Dalai Lama is “credible”?

Taquui on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 10:14 pm 



“How can you know what I am telling you are lies?”

OOPS!

Another FATAL ERROR on your part Mr or Mrs “Ex-Student”!!!!!

I’m now going to repeat that several times here just so passers by can see how you stepped in it:

“How can you know what I am telling you are lies?”

“How can you know what I am telling you are lies?”

“How can you know what I am telling you are lies?”

“How can you know what I am telling you are lies?”

How can I know?

Well, now that you’ve just admitted it, I don’t really need to say!

Jenny on Thu, 30th Apr 2009 10:53 am 



I think this “Jeff Bowes” character is incredibly disturbing. He seems like a complete psychopath to me. I can’t understand why he has created this fancy blog dedicated to CH?

Harald Erikkson on Thu, 30th Apr 2009 11:35 am 



Legge merke til hvor diskusjonen har ganske rolig blitt manipulerte fjerne fra en alvorlig eksamen av Christopher Hansard av hengi seg til inne annonse drap kommentarer. Alt hva glassaktig kan ikke hemmeligholde riktigheten det denne mann har nei formell lærer opp eller kvalifikasjon inne Tibetan medisin og hans kravene er absolutt fiktiv.

Jenny on Thu, 30th Apr 2009 1:22 pm 



Huh?

Ex-student of Chrisopher Hansard on Thu, 30th Apr 2009 5:46 pm 



There is this completely absurd website run by some woman called “Lizzie Jane Cochran” who is sort of like a female “Jeff Bowes”, another obsessed CH fan, and she looks as though she enjoys a drop (or bottle or two) of gin every morning.

I just don’t see how any self-respecting member of the public can rely on these flakes for actual information. It might look shocking at first glance, but all we’ve got here is people gossiping on a silly cult forum, and these really creepy characters, “Jeff Bowes” and “LizzieJaneCochran”.

Maybe the 2 should get married, they have so much in common:

1. Creating blogs dedicated to CH

2. Deceiving the public at large by printing misinformation

3. Touting themselves around like they are the “official” “police” of Tibetan culture or in this woman’s case, therapists.

It really is troubling to think that with the internet being what it is today, that this “LizzieJane” character can throw together a bunch of unrelated articles to make it APPEAR as though CH has done something.

Seriously, go to her blog this LizzieJane woman, and see for yourselves, she clearly isn’t an ‘expert’ on Tibetan culture (thank God, one’s enough), but seems to be linking CH to all these articles which she then renames “Christopher Hansard: The Truth” or something dramatic.

And then of course the article is about something completely unrelated, but contains words like “abuse” or “deception” to make people associate that with Christopher.

I wonder what these people do for a living? This woman seems like a complete drama addict, she probably sits around drinking spirits on her own hatching plots to “get CH”!

Dear oh dear. Well, I hope she eventually gets help.

God bless her, I’m sure she’s a good person inside

Sue Richards on Thu, 30th Apr 2009 11:12 pm 



How about Chris and this guy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5082466/Spritualist-guru-raped-vulnerable-women-lured-to-his-cult-court-hears.html

getting together sometime?

Erikk Jorgsenn on Fri, 1st May 2009 11:28 am 



Visitors and contributours to this page will perhaps have noticed certain characteristics in some postings, which have the transparent objective of shifting critical attention away from Christopher Hansard by indulging in a voluble effort to smother any genuine discussion.

Like many shysters, shady politicians and con-men their motives are betrayed by a compulsive habit of believing that offense is the best defense. So they figuratively machine-gun others in order attempt to intimidate, and to complicate the issue, and confound Christopher Hansard’s detractors.

Notice how any critique of this individual is met with a seamless flood of information (no doubt operating on the belief that such a response will conceal any cracks through which lies would appear) to confuse matters and blur any focus. This tired strategy is associated with psycopathy and aims to deflect. limit or deny any reaction.

Such individuals cannot resist the use of hyperbole, which as can be seen with some of the offerings here, are used to manipulate, either through generating sympathy for themselves, or by belittling others to enhance their sense of inflated worth. Another identifying feature of such a personality is language of marked excess that seeks to produce an emotional response, through exhortation, menace, bombast and exaggeration. Such are the tools of phony healers, who are notorious for their serious disregard for and tendency to violate the rights of others, yet insist their rights must remain inviolable.

Looking at those contributours who have defended Christopher Hansard we may well be in the presence of such a personality.

However such artifice cannot dilute the concerns of people, who are correct to be cautious about paying for the services of someone who has refused, and been singularly unable, to provide evidence of a formal qualification and authentic training in Tibetan medicine.

Jenny on Fri, 1st May 2009 1:27 pm 



Here is some valuable information on stalking from wikipedia. I hope Jeff Bowes and LizzieJaneCochran’s other objects of obsession find this useful:

Stalking
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Stalking is a term used to describe unwanted attention by individuals (and sometimes groups of people) to others. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation. The word “stalking” is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offence. It may also be used to refer to criminal offences or civil wrongs that include conduct which some people consider to be stalking, such as those described in law as “harassment” or similar terms.[citation needed]
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* 1 Definitions of stalking
o 1.1 Definitions used by papers in psychiatry and psychology
* 2 Psychology and behaviors
o 2.1 Gender studies related to stalking
o 2.2 Types of stalkers
* 3 Epidemiology and prevalence
o 3.1 Australia
o 3.2 Austria
o 3.3 England and Wales
o 3.4 Germany
o 3.5 Italy
o 3.6 USA
* 4 Laws on harassment and stalking
o 4.1 Canada
o 4.2 Japan
o 4.3 Italy
o 4.4 United Kingdom
o 4.5 United States
* 5 Psychological effects
* 6 False claims of stalking
* 7 Further reading
* 8 See also
* 9 References
* 10 External links

[edit] Definitions of stalking

The difficulties associated with precisely defining this term (or defining it at all) are well documented. [1] It seems to have been first applied to the harassment (in a general sense) of celebrities by strangers who were described as being obsessed. This use of the word appears to have been coined by the tabloid press in the United States.[2]

[edit] Definitions used by papers in psychiatry and psychology

Meloy (1998) as well as Stieger, Burger and Schild (2008) used the following definition: To be categorized as a stalking victim a person has to report at least two different intrusive behaviors, which had to last for at least two weeks and also provoke fear.

[edit] Psychology and behaviors
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Individuals characterised as stalkers may have a mistaken belief that the other person loves them (erotomania), or have a desire to help the other person.[3] Stalking consists of a series of actions which in themselves can be legal, such as calling on the phone, sending gifts, or sending emails.[4]

Stalkers may use threats and violence to frighten their victims. They may engage in vandalism and property damage. They may use physical attacks that are mostly meant to frighten. Less common are sexual assaults or physical attacks that leave serious physical injuries.[3]

[edit] Gender studies related to stalking

The majority of reported stalkers are male. The demographic characteristics and psychiatric status of male and female stalkers do not differ, except that male stalkers are more likely to have a history of criminal offenses and substance abuse. The duration of the time invested in stalking and the frequency of associated violence are equivalent between male and female stalkers. Women are more likely to target someone they have known — such as a professional contact — and rarely target strangers. Women often target other women, whereas men generally stalk women only.[5][6]

In “A Study of Women Who Stalk”, Purcell, Pathé and Mullen concluded that the two major psychiatric variables that differentiate female from male stalkers are the motivations for stalking and the choice of victims. Female stalkers more often seek intimacy with their victim, who is usually someone they already know. Victims frequently work in professional helping roles such as doctors, nurses, therapists and counselors. Context was found to differ, but the conclusion was that the intrusiveness and harmfulness did not. The vast majority of stalking-related violence is committed by males.[5]

[edit] Types of stalkers

Psychologists often group individuals who stalk into two categories: psychotic and nonpsychotic.[7] Many[quantify] stalkers have pre-existing psychotic disorders such as delusional disorder, schizoaffective disorder, or schizophrenia. Most stalkers are nonpsychotic and may exhibit disorders or neuroses such as major depression, adjustment disorder, or substance dependence, as well as a variety of Axis II personality disorders, such as antisocial, avoidant, borderline, dependent, narcissistic, or paranoia. Some of the symptoms of “obsessing” over a person is part of obsessive compulsive personality disorder. The nonpsychotic stalkers’ pursuit of victims can be influenced by various psychological factors, including anger and hostility, projection of blame, obsession, dependency, minimization and denial, and jealousy. Conversely, as is more commonly the case, the stalker has no antipathic feelings towards the victim, but simply a longing that cannot be fulfilled due to either in their personality or their society’s norms.[8]

In “A Study of Stalkers” Mullen et al.. (2000)[6][9] identified five types of stalkers:

* Rejected stalkers pursue their victims in order to reverse, correct, or avenge a rejection (e.g. divorce, separation, termination).
* Resentful stalkers pursue a vendetta because of a sense of grievance against the victims – motivated mainly by the desire to frighten and distress the victim.
* Intimacy seekers seek to establish an intimate, loving relationship with their victim. To them, the victim is a long-sought-after soul mate, and they were ‘meant’ to be together.
* Incompetent suitors, despite poor social or courting skills, have a fixation, or in some cases a sense of entitlement to an intimate relationship with those who have attracted their amorous interest. Their victims are most often already in a dating relationship with someone else.
* Predatory stalkers spy on the victim in order to prepare and plan an attack – usually sexual – on the victim.

The 2002 National Victim Association Academy defines an additional form of stalking: The Vengeance/Terrorist stalker. Both the Vengeance stalker and Terrorist stalker (the latter sometimes called the political stalker) do not, in contrast with some of the aforementioned types of stalkers, seek a personal relationship with their victims but rather force them to emit a certain response favourable to the stalker. While the vengeance stalker’s motive is “to get even” with the other person whom he/she perceives has done some wrong to them (i.e, an employee who believes is fired without justification from their job by their superior), the political stalker intends to accomplish a political agenda, also using threats and intimidation to force his/her target to refrain and/or become involved in some particular activity, regardless of the victim’s consent.[10]

Many stalkers fit categories with paranoia disorders. Intimacy-seeking stalkers often have delusional disorders involving erotomanic delusions. With rejected stalkers, the continual clinging to a relationship of an inadequate or dependent person couples with the entitlement of the narcissistic personality, and the persistent jealousy of the paranoid personality. In contrast, resentful stalkers demonstrate an almost “pure culture of persecution,” with delusional disorders of the paranoid type, paranoid personalities, and paranoid schizophrenia.[9]

[edit] Epidemiology and prevalence

[edit] Australia

According to a study conducted by Purcell, Pathé and Mullen (2006), 23% of the Australian population reported having been stalked[11].

[edit] Austria

Stieger, Burger and Schild conducted a survey in Austria, revealing a lifetime prevalence of 11% (women: 17%, men: 3%)[12][13]. Further results include: 86% of stalking victims were female, 81% of the stalkers were male. Women were mainly stalked by men (88%) while men were almost equally stalked by men and women (60% male stalkers). 19% of the stalking victims reported that they were still being stalked at the time of study participation (point prevalence rate: 2%). To 70% of the vicitms, the stalker was known, being a prior intimate partner in 40%, a friend or acquaintance in 23% and a colleague at work in 13% of cases. As a consequence, 72% of the victims reported having changed their lifestyle. 52% of former and ongoing stalking victims reported suffering from a currently impaired (pathological) psychological well-being. There was no significant difference between the incidence of stalking in rural and urban areas.

[edit] England and Wales

Budd and Mattinson found a lifetime prevalence of 12% in England and Wales (12% overall, 16% female, 7% males)[14].

[edit] Germany

Dressing, Kuehner and Gass conducted a representative survey in a middle-sized German city (Mannheim) and reported a lifetime prevalence of about 12%[15].

[edit] Italy

The Osservatorio Nazionale sullo Stalking (Italian National Research Center on Stalking, a section of the Italian Association of Psychology and Criminology) has been active for 8 years as for 2009, assisting over 8000 victims during the time span. The researches about episodes of Stalking in Italy in the 2002-2006 time span have shown that: 85% of Stalkers are men; 80% of Stalkers is a victim’s acquaintance; 80% are socially adapted; 70% are gaslighters; 70% have shown a stiff personality in affective relationships; 55% of Stalkers are partners or ex partners of the victim(s); 45% of Stalkers is between 20 and 40 years old; 25% is a repeated offender; 20% suffers from personality disorders and 5% suffers from some form of psychosis. The researches of the Osservatorio Nazionale sullo Stalking also shows that 25% of the victims of Stalking in Italy are men, and that 5% of murderers between 2002 and 2006 in Italy were previously Stalkers.[16]

[edit] USA

Tjaden and Thoennes reported a lifetime prevalence of 8% in women and 2% in males in the National violence against women survey[17].

[edit] Laws on harassment and stalking

[edit] Canada

Section 264 of the Criminal Code of Canada, titled “criminal harassment”[18] addresses acts which are termed “stalking” in many other jurisdictions. The provisions of the section came into force in August 1993 with the intent of further strengthening laws protecting women.[19] It is a hybrid offence, which may be punishable upon summary conviction or as an indictable offence, the latter of which may carry a prison term of up to ten years. Section 264 has withstood Charter challenges.[20]

The Chief, Policing Services Program, for Statistics Canada has stated:

“… of the 10,756 incidents of criminal harassment reported to police in 2006, 1,429 of these involved more than one accused.”

This is approximately one case in eight, and matches the percentage of cases reported by the U.S. Department of Justice, for the same period, which involve multiple stalkers, as opposed to the often presumed obsessed single stalker.

[edit] Japan

In 2000, Japan enacted a national law to combat this behaviour, after the Shiori Ino murder.[21] Acts of stalking can be viewed as “interfering [with] the tranquility of others’ lives”, and are prohibited under petty offence laws.

[edit] Italy

Following a series of high-profile incidents that came to public attention in the past years, a law was proposed in June 2008, and became effective in February 2009, making a criminal offence, punishable with imprisonment ranging from six months up to four years, any “continuative harassing, threatening or persecuting behaviour which: 1) causes a state of anxiety and fear in the victim(s), or; 2) ingenerates within the victim(s) a motivated fear for his/her own safety or for the safety of relatives, kins, or others tied to the victim him/herself by an affective relationship, or; 3), forces the victim(s) to change his/her living habits”. If the perpetrator of the offense is a subject tied to the victim by kinship or that is or has been in the past involved in a relationship with the victim (i.e. current or former/divorced/split husband/wife or fiancée), and/or if the victim is a pregnant woman or a minor, the sanction can be elevated up to six years of incarceration.[22]

[edit] United Kingdom

There is no offence which is described in law as “stalking”. An attempt to create such an offence by the Stalking Bill 1996 failed. It was felt that the proposed offence failed to distinguish between reasonable and unreasonable conduct.

In England and Wales, “harassment” was criminalised by the enactment of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997, which came into force on June 16, 1997. It makes it a criminal offence, punishable by up to six months imprisonment, to pursue a course of conduct which amounts to harassment of another on two or more occasions. The court can also issue a restraining order, which carries a maximum punishment of five years imprisonment if breached.

Already before the enactment of the Act, the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and the Telecommunications Act 1984 (now the Communications Act 2003) criminalised indecent, offensive or threatening phone calls and the sending of an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person.

In Scotland, provision is made under the Protection from Harassment Act against stalking. It is not a criminal offence, however, but falls under the law of delict. Victims of stalking may sue for interdict against an alleged stalker, or a non-harassment order, breach of which is an offence.

[edit] United States

The first state to criminalize stalking in the United States was California in 1990[23] due to several high profile stalking cases in California, including the 1982 attempted murder of actress Theresa Saldana,[24] the 1988 massacre by Richard Farley,[25] the 1989 murder of actress Rebecca Schaeffer,[26] and five Orange County stalking murders also in 1989.[25][27] The first anti-stalking law in the United States, California Penal Code Section 646.9, was developed and proposed by Municipal Court Judge John Watson of Orange County. Watson with U.S. Congressman Ed Royce introduced the law in 1990.[27][28] Also in 1990, the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) began the United States’ first Threat Management Unit, founded by LAPD Captain Robert Martin.

Within three years[27] thereafter, every state in the United States followed suit to create the crime of stalking, under different names such as criminal harassment or criminal menace. The Driver’s Privacy Protection Act (DPPA) was enacted in 1994 in response to numerous cases of a driver’s information being abused for criminal activity, examples such as the Saldana and Schaeffer stalking cases.[29][30] The DPPA prohibits states from disclosing a driver’s personal information without consent by State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006[31] made stalking punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The law took effect on 1 October 2007.[32] This law brings the UCMJ in line with federal laws against stalking. Laws against stalking in different jurisdictions vary, and so do the definitions. Some make the act illegal as it stands, while others do only if the stalking becomes threatening or endangers the receiving end. In England and Wales, liability may arise in the event that the victim suffers either mental or physical harm as a result of being stalked (see R. v. Constanza). Many states in the US also recognize stalking as grounds for issuance of a civil restraining order. Since this requires a lower burden of proof than a criminal charge, laws recognizing non-criminal allegations of stalking suffer the same risk of abuse seen with false allegations of domestic violence.[citation needed]

The U.S. Department of Justice released a special report in January 2009, titled “Stalking Victimization in the United States”, NCJ 224527. Among other statistics in the report, survey results listed in Table 3 of the Appendix found that the number of stalking offenders perceived by the estimated 3,398,630 stalking victims were:

* One 62.1%
* Two 18.2%
* Three or more 13.1%
* Number unknown 6.5%

In other words, one case in eight involved stalking by a group, which is different from the general assumption that stalking is always the work of a single obsessed stalker.

[edit] Psychological effects

Stalking can be a terrifying experience for victims, placing them at risk of psychological trauma, and possible physical harm. As Rokkers writes, “Stalking is a form of mental assault, in which the perpetrator repeatedly, unwontedly, and disruptively breaks into the life-world of the victim, with whom they have no relationship (or no longer have). Moreover, the separated acts that make up the intrusion cannot by themselves cause the mental abuse, but do taken together (cumulative effect).”[4]

[edit] False claims of stalking

In 1999, Pathe, Mullen and Purcell said that popular interest in stalking was promoting false claims.[33] In 2004, Sheridan and Blaauw said that they estimated that 11.5% of claims in a sample of 357 reported claims of stalking were false.[34]

[edit] Further reading

* Australian Institute of Criminology stalking articles
* How To Stop A Stalker. Proctor, Mike. Prometheus Books, 2000.
* Minnesota Center Against Violence and Abuse Annotated Stalking Bibliography
* The Psychology of Stalking. Meloy, J. Reid. Academic Press, 2000.
* Stalkers and Their Victims, 2nd edition. Mullen, Paul E., Pathe, Michele, Purcell, Rosemary. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
* Surviving a Stalker: Everything You Need to Know to Keep Yourself Safe. Gross, Linda. Marlowe & Company, 2000.
* Lifetime prevalence and impact of stalking: Epidemiological data from Eastern Austria. Stefan Stieger; Christoph Burger; Anne Schild. European Journal of Psychiatry Vol. 22, N.° 4, (235-241), Zaragoza (ES) 2008, ISSN 0213-6163.
* Is This Stalking? A Comparison Between Legal and Community Definitions of Stalking. Susan Dennison and Don Thomson, paper presented at the Stalking: Criminal Justice Responses Conference convened by the Australian Institute of Criminology in Sydney, 7-8 December 2000
* U.S. National Center for the Victims of Crime Annotated Stalking Bibliography

[edit] See also

* Bunny boiler
* Courtship disorder
* Cyberstalking
* Erotomania
* Gaslighting
* Obscene phone call
* Persecution
* Poison pen letter
* Restraining order
* Secret admirer
* Surveillance
* Threat Management Unit
* Violence
* Vexatious litigation
* Voyeurism

Jenny on Fri, 1st May 2009 1:30 pm 



Hi erikk, interesting post. I hope you can apply the same criticism to:

1. the gossip on the cult forum

2. Jeffry Bowes “official” ch blog

3. Lizzie Jane Cochran, the number 1 female admirer of CH

Greta Jensen on Fri, 1st May 2009 5:00 pm 



Erikk, as Jenny said you post was very interesting and produced a reaction that made your point very convincingly. It looks as you say that people are being careful to avoid any examination about Christopher Hansard by using the techniques which you describe. From now on it will be easier to identify such games, but for now despite the torrents of concealment and created confusion, several facts remain very clear. Christopher Hansard is not a physician of Tibetan medicine, nor qualified, and received no proper and recognised training in this discipline.

Those who are in denial of this reality should ask themselves why he does not simply address these very important issues by making clear to the public evidence that will prove his claims. Until he does he cannot be at all puzzled why the public retain such doubts and caution.

Jenny on Fri, 1st May 2009 7:19 pm 



Greta, I am just outraged by this reaction! I want the best for this you know, but there are so many people who are against CH, and it saddens me to think that you have it in for him SO BADLY!!!

How on earth would you prove that he was trained in something other than to allow him to practice?

Sigur Olaffsonn on Fri, 1st May 2009 10:45 pm 



This takes the conversation back to an important element, namely that, as somebody else remarked, it was Chris who chose to declare to the public that he was a doctor of Tibetan medicine and asked people to accept that he was trained by a Tibetan from an infant’s age.

These were his claims, so as a responsible complimentary health provider he has an ethical and professional duty to reassure people’s concerns by willingly substantiating his story with detailed information, naming witnesses to his training, family relatives (his own and that of his Tibetan trainer) detailing their addresses. All such material would enable people to check for themselves to reach a more inforned conclusion, rather than simply having to operate on his assurances.

Maybe he does not realise that the debate about his account is not confined to America or England, but is alive in Norway too. Only by offering credible and supportive information that proves the truth of his claims will the damaging speculation and suspicion be reduced. What must his family think of all this? Are they aware?

Jenny on Sun, 3rd May 2009 1:11 pm 



You can’t legally shut him down, so why continue the harassment?

People should be able to go to him like anyone else. He is no less legitimate than anyone else in the world, so why attempt to try to sabotage him, by posting gossip, and creating fan sites?

At the end of the day this Jeff Bowes character is a disturbed individual, who needs hours and hours of therapy in order to cure him of his jealous obsession or maybe he is in love with Christopher!

I think him and “lizzieJane” are both in love with CH. They are so passionate about attacking him, they must secretly yearn to be with him.

I bet they have shrines in their houses!

So sweet,but ultimately pathetic.

Ex-student of Chrisopher Hansard on Sun, 3rd May 2009 3:47 pm 



As much as they have tried Jenny, they have by and large failed to do any real harm to him. If there was any real abuse going on, nobody would have kept going, but many have, it’s just that this kind of stuff isn’t helpful! He has to be the most laid back person about all this though, because he could have decided to publicly trash this “Jeff Bowes” character, and by the looks of it this “Lizzie Jane” person is probably an ex-patient, desperately fighting something inside her which she hides by creating this silly blog.

It will soon blow over.

Greta Jensen on Sun, 3rd May 2009 5:58 pm 



How strange that when anyone challenges the account made by Christoper Hansard the response follows a predicable pattern of insult, evasion and denial. This sounds rather like a tactic expected of a corrupt politician. Why does this person not just provide detailed information that would reassure the public of his claims. Surely as a professional he would have no objection to reassuring potential clients that what he says about his training is actually true. Assurances in themselves are not enough, particularly when it involves working with people’s trust, vulnerability and suffering.

So it is very understandable that there is so much suspicion towards him when considering that he arrived onto the stage of complimentary medicine during the late 1990’s and announced that he had received training in Tibetan medicine and so forth. Well of course people were sceptical, simply because anyone could make such a claim, since then the questions have grown. Yet he has not offered evidence that could be examined to prove what he says is true.

If, as many now wonder, that Christopher Hansard has created this story, that may well explain why he has found it difficult to offer any credible witness to, or proof of, his claims. It could simply be that he cannot do so, the only option would be to create and sustain a fog of deceit and manipulation to conceal the truth.

Should this be the case there can be no sympathy for him, who we must remember was in the business of profit, and no doubt made considerable money from people, on the back of his story.

If Christopher Hansard privately wishes to consider himself as a Tibetan doctor, guru or healer he has every right to do. Yet in presenting such a false-self to the public for the purpose of money-making and inflating his sense of self-worth is a deceit of the lowest order.

Frenke Kelsberg on Sun, 3rd May 2009 9:55 pm 



There is no need for complicated debate, unless your desire is to hide something, the issue is very clear. It is plainly wrong of chris Hansard to pretend to be some type of physician and then take money off clients whose trust is abused by such venality and corruption of mind.

Ex-student of Chrisopher Hansard on Mon, 4th May 2009 4:54 pm 



That Jeff Bowes character is really starting to freak me out, and so is this “lizzie jane” woman. I think she was a patient and if I can take a wild guess at which one, I understand that she has a little problem herself. This is why they can’t show their faces! It’s so silly of them to pretend like they are innocent of any crime. I mean, Jeffry is a nutter, and this woman “lizzeijanecochran” is (i would guess) a VERY troubled individual.

If you actually think that printing articles about OTHER PEOPLE and then replacing the title of your blog post with ‘Christopher Hansard’ in order to get hits and sell your wierd “brand” or whatever (brand of OBSESSION!), you are wasting valuable time.

It is really obvious to most people I have spoken to that these people who are “out to get him” are completely deluded, obsessed and, let’s face it, in love with CH.

It’s the only explanation as to why they dedicate these huge blogs to him, which contain neither fact nor information, they are people who have constructed personalities on the internet, and who themselves hide behind silly blogs.

I would be most interested firstly to give a background check into all the people who are critical of CH, after all, what have THEY got to hide?

It’s extremely silly how they say he’s a fraud and then they insult his poetry, they insult his personality, but then they say they are ‘afraid’ of CH.

Now what on earth to they have to be afraid of?

I really think they should seek medical help, preferably some form of genuine therapy. I’d be tempted to recommend CH himself, but really any councilor would do.

The main focus of the debate has always been on:

1.Clarity & fact

2. Identity

In this case, what has Jeffry got to hide?

Looking at his blog, he seems like the typical stalker. Lonely, deluded, angry at something, oh and an “expert” on Tibet.

I think Jeffry Bowes is a self evident case of insanity, delusion and obsession.

He has unfortunately only been able to convince the world that he is ill.

Sue Richards on Mon, 4th May 2009 10:36 pm 



It is Chris who has claimed to be a Tibetan Doctor and told others that he has received special training. Also it is obvious that he has made money from these claims.

What he refuses to do though is to publicly show people any evidence that what he has claimed is actually true. It looks like he has no such proof, which is why all he can do is to cover-up by creating diversions and confusion.

Everyone can see it clearly, each time anyone raises questions about his story the response is the same; emotional language, insult, exaggeration. Interesting that Some of the postings here share similar charcteristics too, clearly unwilling to adrress the subject itself (Chris Hansard’s claims) they indulge in horse-manure, hoping the smell will detract attention.

The issue here is Chris Hansard, who charges vulnerable and fragile people a lot of money to lie on the couch and trust him, yet has no training or qualification in Tibetan medicine and is helpless when asked to offer credible information that would convince anybody that his story is not made-up.

Harald Erikkson on Tue, 5th May 2009 12:58 pm 



I kommentarna å forsvare Christopher Hansard på denne siden har blitt skrevet av ham, han er mange, skjul bak ulike navn. Men hans reaksjoner er alltid den samme, han kan ikke forsvare seg selv eller vis noe bevis for hans historien så instaed han på tcks og kan andre. Den mann er en komplett svindel, vokt eder!

SeetaReible on Wed, 13th May 2009 4:10 pm 



It can really be so.
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Arthur on Wed, 13th May 2009 9:11 pm 



It seems after long consideration, that something is corrupt in Jeffry Bowes’s accounts and others. You really are too interested in bringing down this person, yet, as many seem to have stated both here and elsewhere, he’s not committed a crime. On first glance as someone said up there, the blogs and things immediately create an atmosphere of suspicion around this poor man, who as far as I can tell, has not only been successful, but has, I repeat, never committed any kind of offense. No abuse, and of course the training story is probably something which, as people keep saying, is more evident in what he does and has been doing for a number of years it seems, way before this internet gossip / speculation / false accusations began.

If he were truly dangerous, he would have charged clients huge sums of money without explanation, or bullied people into spending money. Money seems to frighten many people on this forum, even though some of them claim to be “experts” on ancient Tibet.

I’m just curious to know what the families and friends of the people who post on these blogs and places actually think of what they are doing, seeing as it appears largely to be abusive towards C. Hansard, and that these people seem to be more abusive one way then a genuinely concerned group would or should be.

This article on jealousy is pretty good, although I’m not certain people are ready to face the truth:
Accept it: Jealousy lurks near success

By Daneen Skube

Tribune Media Services

Q: I recently got a promotion and lost a lot of weight. I’m noticing former office girlfriends not inviting me to lunch and getting quiet when I walk in the room, and have heard some mean-spirited gossip about me. Why are they acting so mean?

A: Yes, my dear, jealousy in the workplace is alive and well. The green-eyed monster can take the team spirit right out of your teammates.

My clients are often astounded that when they experience good fortune, everyone around them doesn’t stand up and cheer.

Co-workers will usually tolerate it when you have occasional good luck.

These same colleagues can be nakedly vicious when you have exceptionally good fortune.

In addition, don’t think you get points for having suffered or worked hard for your successes. People around you will look at the end result, not the price you paid to get there.

The bottom line is that the exceptionally good fortune of others can make our lives seem small in comparison.

When we feel small, we can act just as small.

A normal (but painful) jealous reaction from others usually includes a desire to ruin any enjoyment of our achievement.

Unfortunately, most people don’t have the psychological awareness or maturity to admit they are feeling jealous.

Instead of being shocked and dismayed when people are envious, expect that any time you experience extraordinary good fortune, some people will do everything possible to throw mud on you as you bask in your victory.

It also isn’t cheating to attempt to keep astounding news of success within a close circle of work friends you trust to handle your good news without behaving badly.

Make sure to notice the people who are secure enough, mature enough and generous enough to celebrate your successes.

They can be lifelong allies who’ll give you the good advice and encouragement to become your best possible self on and off the job.

The last word(s)

Q: I’ve been offered a great job in New York but I hate the East Coast. How do I decide?

A: Life and work are a series of trade-offs. Decide based on your priorities.

Daneen Skube, Ph.D., is an executive coach, trainer, therapist, speaker and author of “Interpersonal Edge: Breakthrough Tools for Talking to Anyone, Anywhere, About Anything” (Hay House, 2006). She can be reached at 1420 N.W. Gilman Blvd., No. 2845, Issaquah, WA 98027-7001; by e-mail at interpersonaledge@comcast.net; or at http://www.interpersonaledge.com. Sorry, no personal replies. To read other Daneen Skube columns, go to http://www.seattletimes.com/daneenskube

Jane Morton on Tue, 19th May 2009 8:01 pm 



I realise there is a lot of emotion and anger on both sides of the issue surrounding Christopher Hansard, however having been a former fan myself, I have also been made painfully aware and have heard or read the accounts of many of his victims of sexual coercion. I have indeed witnessed him “bully” both patients and workshop participants and I know factually that the story of his training is untrue. I had to consider the sources of these stories, the situations themselves as well as the sheer number of them being circulated.

Many former followers of this man are now left to regurgitate what they have been more or less programmed to believe and recite, and that is the same story of his lineage and teachings that he has published in his own words in his books.

No, Christopher Hansard has not broken any laws per se by having sex with his patients and those either in his care or tutelage. While it IS against the law for a General Medical Practitioner and Physician to do so, and under the same circumstances they would face jail time, it is not at this time against any law for someone to 1. refer to themselves as a “physician” of any sort, save General Medical Physician or Dr. of General Medicine and 2. as a complimentary practitioner or “shaman” it is not against the law to bed your patients. Sadly these are the facts.

There have been many accusations railed against Christopher Hansard over the period of many years by equally as many alleged victims. It is difficult to prove coercion, and as long as he continues to practice without any real credentials, he can continue to sleep with those in his care. They are going to him willing due to the publicity he has garnered, and though they are indeed emotionally vulnerable, again we are witnessing his and his supporters rally against this by promoting this fact. His victims have been judged everything from crazy, sick, psychopathic, jealous, and scorned.

What we are forgetting or perhaps choosing to overlook is the reason many people sought this man’s help was because they were in some way “sick”. In my opinion these illnesses and their vulnerabilities were what made them prime victims.

Truthfully, I sympathise with those who feel the need to continue to support this man, many of whom, like Susanne Lawson have supported him for many years and now have their own reputations wholly entwined with his, many of whom have weathered through another similar assault of accusations made in Canada in the 1990’s. However, I believe no matter what side you find yourselves, we should all consider the evidence presented on the one side as opposed to the appalling lack of on the other. By this, I mean the length of time these accusations have been made throughout North America and the UK,(though I understand they have not hit Norway, Denmark and other places Hansard has recently frequented) their sheer number, the many quoted first hand accounts made by real individuals who knew of Hansard before he ever began presenting himself as a shaman or healer of any kind, and were present at the time of the story’s conception.

I understand the why’s and how’s this has been allowed to continue, as it has been stated many times here as well as on the many other discussions, blogs and forums - What Hansard has done and continues to do walks the very fine line between what is legal and against the law. Therefore, despite stories and alleged abuses have indeed been presented to the police, they are thus far unable to act.

What Hansard is doing by taking advantage of those that are vulnerable in his care is not against the law. My question to you however is very simply, does that make what he is doing and has been doing through out his career alright?

Fraud is against the law, but is again difficult to prove and costly. His own publishers who have undoubtedly built a personal relationship with him over the years, would have to act against him. Unless their own reputation is put at stake on a grand scale, that is just not going to happen. In conclusion, Hansard is just not as big a celebrity as he purports. He is not even remotely big nor high enough in standing to bring down.

Arthur on Fri, 22nd May 2009 12:06 am 



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• Besøk biip.no
• Besøk spill.no
• Bjørn Endre Andersen’s blogg.
• Fandens oldemor
• Flinke piker - uten skam, uten truser
• HEIDI.NU
• Jannekake
• Kari Rasmussens blogg
• Nyhetsblogg’s Blog
• Tina Lihaug blogg
• Victoria Desiree
• victoriaserine.blogg.no
• Videosiden.com